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		<title>By: From A Photo Editor Blog - Advice From A Photographer &#124; Richard Louissaint Photography: The Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>From A Photo Editor Blog - Advice From A Photographer &#124; Richard Louissaint Photography: The Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Insuranceboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insuranceboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reference to # 6 , when working be focused on the photographers needs when on the job. I think on your time take as many shots as possible document your job at the moment take images of people working around you ,but only on your time and be prepared to go back to assisting . all this with the photographers approval. have a great day of being a sponge then go take an image of it .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to # 6 , when working be focused on the photographers needs when on the job. I think on your time take as many shots as possible document your job at the moment take images of people working around you ,but only on your time and be prepared to go back to assisting . all this with the photographers approval. have a great day of being a sponge then go take an image of it .</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-11-28</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Photo Editor - Advice From A Photographer Most of this is great advice to anyone starting out in any line of work. (tags: career photography work) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: drewd &#8211; Photography Links</title>
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		<dc:creator>drewd &#8211; Photography Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] older, professional photographer shares his advice to young, aspiring photographers. Most of the lessons here fall better into the categories of business sense and career wisdom than [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/11/advice-from-a-photographer/#comment-6502</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well hello there, chaps and chapettes.  Some nice info and discourse here.  I know this has been a long dead discussion, but I found it on Google and wanted to ask.

I have a question...  I've been shooting for a few years, I've done a little bit of work experience here and there (recently enquired at Rankin's studio about work experience) but most of my own work as been commissioned by record labels (smaller than Sony, Warner, Umusic etc, but big in their niche); I've done a number of highish profile shoots; album covers, single record covers, magazine editorial etc etc.  But when I approach the big labels, the big magazines, the big agencies etc.  They're all kinda like "Really nice work, but your it's not right for us as the moment, stay in touch"...  Now, I'm a filmmaker as well as photographer and have had many script rejections, I know the above statement is pretty much "not good enough; shoot more, get better and come back to us later".

Anyway, my real question is, as I've been working for a while now (but most of the time for next to no money, except for the big projects) and built up an awful lot of shooting experience is there any way I can avoid assisting, in order to make the next step up the ladder?  Most people I've spoken to, in the big companies have said "assisting would be a step back for you"...  I'd really like to believe this, but, how else do I make the high profile contacts I need to, in order to progress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well hello there, chaps and chapettes.  Some nice info and discourse here.  I know this has been a long dead discussion, but I found it on Google and wanted to ask.</p>
<p>I have a question&#8230;  I&#8217;ve been shooting for a few years, I&#8217;ve done a little bit of work experience here and there (recently enquired at Rankin&#8217;s studio about work experience) but most of my own work as been commissioned by record labels (smaller than Sony, Warner, Umusic etc, but big in their niche); I&#8217;ve done a number of highish profile shoots; album covers, single record covers, magazine editorial etc etc.  But when I approach the big labels, the big magazines, the big agencies etc.  They&#8217;re all kinda like &#8220;Really nice work, but your it&#8217;s not right for us as the moment, stay in touch&#8221;&#8230;  Now, I&#8217;m a filmmaker as well as photographer and have had many script rejections, I know the above statement is pretty much &#8220;not good enough; shoot more, get better and come back to us later&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anyway, my real question is, as I&#8217;ve been working for a while now (but most of the time for next to no money, except for the big projects) and built up an awful lot of shooting experience is there any way I can avoid assisting, in order to make the next step up the ladder?  Most people I&#8217;ve spoken to, in the big companies have said &#8220;assisting would be a step back for you&#8221;&#8230;  I&#8217;d really like to believe this, but, how else do I make the high profile contacts I need to, in order to progress?</p>
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		<title>By: warpedvisions.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Advice from a photographer</title>
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		<dc:creator>warpedvisions.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Advice from a photographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 21st, 2007 in Links Some advice from an older photographer to the young&#8217;uns. The advice is oddly applicable to software developers. Mostly, learn at every possible [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Whatsup &#124; Be like Mailer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whatsup &#124; Be like Mailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Advice from a photographer features a bunch of great tips for any creative pro. One that stood out… 24. Go to the Times today, and read the Norman Mailer Obit. Try to create your life to be half as interesting as his life. If you do that, you’ll be fine. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: browserFruits f&#252;r den 27.12.07 &#124; KWERFELDEIN - Martin Gommel</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Neatorama&#8217;s photo history post &#171; Gregory Scheckler Artworks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neatorama&#8217;s photo history post &#171; Gregory Scheckler Artworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And another hilarious post, giving advice to young photographers. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adel Anwar &#187; Advice from a Photographer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/11/advice-from-a-photographer/#comment-1757</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"And I forgot the worst one, #27: Don’t approach the client to “show him your work sometime”. It’s the cardinal rule. If you’re there on the job as an assistant, then be in the assistant role. Every client will ask you if you shoot, because they don’t know what else to talk to you about at lunch, but trust me, they really don’t care. They might care a little bit, but they don’t want to see your book. The right way to do it is — Stop Assisting, then become a photographer. Don’t approach a client when you’re on somebody else’s job."

Seriously... this just happened to me yesterday. You can market yourself on your own time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And I forgot the worst one, #27: Don’t approach the client to “show him your work sometime”. It’s the cardinal rule. If you’re there on the job as an assistant, then be in the assistant role. Every client will ask you if you shoot, because they don’t know what else to talk to you about at lunch, but trust me, they really don’t care. They might care a little bit, but they don’t want to see your book. The right way to do it is — Stop Assisting, then become a photographer. Don’t approach a client when you’re on somebody else’s job.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously&#8230; this just happened to me yesterday. You can market yourself on your own time.</p>
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		<title>By: philippe</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this is about becoming a photographer, then I'm quite happy being a teacher...

If this is about being a slave (aka assistant) I suppose that makes sense. You'll be lucky if you work for a talented guy, who treats other human beings with respect. This world is so full of jerks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is about becoming a photographer, then I&#8217;m quite happy being a teacher&#8230;</p>
<p>If this is about being a slave (aka assistant) I suppose that makes sense. You&#8217;ll be lucky if you work for a talented guy, who treats other human beings with respect. This world is so full of jerks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ATL Shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>ATL Shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd say write them a well constructed e-mail telling them who you are, your experience, and your rate.  Show them you are enthusiastic, CONFIDENT, and willing to work hard.  SPELL CHECK your e-mail to death.  It does NOT look good to misspell your photographer's name.  

Great list up there.  I just started assisting and am printing it as I type</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say write them a well constructed e-mail telling them who you are, your experience, and your rate.  Show them you are enthusiastic, CONFIDENT, and willing to work hard.  SPELL CHECK your e-mail to death.  It does NOT look good to misspell your photographer&#8217;s name.  </p>
<p>Great list up there.  I just started assisting and am printing it as I type</p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So AGAIN...Whats the best way to approach someone semi-decent for an assistant job?

Whats the symbiotic pecking order?

Just show up at the guys door?</description>
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<p>Whats the symbiotic pecking order?</p>
<p>Just show up at the guys door?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Geezer Talks &#124; The Decisive Moment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Geezer Talks &#124; The Decisive Moment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a &#8216;pro&#8217; photographer then go read this equal parts hilarious as well as sober piece here. From taking the right courses in college to dropping acid (yes, I&#8217;m not joking)  to being a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: stikman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, how does one become a 'pro' assistant? Is it some sort of fucked up syndrome to want to 'assist' in creating great images rather than be the man behind the lens.
I want this to be my next career, call me crazy...I am a lover not a fighter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, how does one become a &#8216;pro&#8217; assistant? Is it some sort of fucked up syndrome to want to &#8216;assist&#8217; in creating great images rather than be the man behind the lens.<br />
I want this to be my next career, call me crazy&#8230;I am a lover not a fighter.</p>
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		<title>By: Trip</title>
		<link>http://aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/11/advice-from-a-photographer/#comment-1578</link>
		<dc:creator>Trip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, I get it. Not all photographers are assholes. If it doesn't apply to you, get over it. Trust me, there are very few photographers as generous as you to pay overtime when it can't be billed back. I didn't get into this business yesterday so you don't need to make excuses for someone else.

I have had the luxury to assist friends and generally cool people. In fact, I rarely assist anymore. When I first started I didn't have that luxury and had to work for whatever jerk that called. I've worked for a full range of personalities. If I ever overextended myself for a photographer it was out of respect for them and my own personal work ethic. In any case, the expectations go both ways.

There's a lot of things in this business that are fucked up, from top to bottom. Photographers have to bill for their shoelaces just to try and turn a profit. We do it because we want to take pictures and believe there's a way to make a living doing it. Assistants included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I get it. Not all photographers are assholes. If it doesn&#8217;t apply to you, get over it. Trust me, there are very few photographers as generous as you to pay overtime when it can&#8217;t be billed back. I didn&#8217;t get into this business yesterday so you don&#8217;t need to make excuses for someone else.</p>
<p>I have had the luxury to assist friends and generally cool people. In fact, I rarely assist anymore. When I first started I didn&#8217;t have that luxury and had to work for whatever jerk that called. I&#8217;ve worked for a full range of personalities. If I ever overextended myself for a photographer it was out of respect for them and my own personal work ethic. In any case, the expectations go both ways.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of things in this business that are fucked up, from top to bottom. Photographers have to bill for their shoelaces just to try and turn a profit. We do it because we want to take pictures and believe there&#8217;s a way to make a living doing it. Assistants included.</p>
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		<title>By: Not a youngster but not a GEEZER</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not a youngster but not a GEEZER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trip Says: 
November 12th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Wow. I’m glad there’s finally a forum for photographers to gripe and bitch about how assistants should be.....


I buy my assistants breakfast every day.  Another shooter on this forum buys lunch everyday.  I pay overtime even if I don't bill it.  I treat my assistants fairly and yes, there are long days involved.  Get over it,,it is the reality of the business.  Don't blame the photographer for the last flight out....most likely the client and budget were tight with no bucks for hotels.  Yes, it gets that tight sometime.

I don't know a single photographer who treats his crew badly.  I know of one who yells.  He has a rep and that is just the way he is.  What assistants are not understanding is how much pressure there is on the shooter - from financial to production to crew to final product.  If you don't appreciate it now, you will when you get out on your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trip Says:<br />
November 12th, 2007 at 12:04 pm<br />
Wow. I’m glad there’s finally a forum for photographers to gripe and bitch about how assistants should be&#8230;..</p>
<p>I buy my assistants breakfast every day.  Another shooter on this forum buys lunch everyday.  I pay overtime even if I don&#8217;t bill it.  I treat my assistants fairly and yes, there are long days involved.  Get over it,,it is the reality of the business.  Don&#8217;t blame the photographer for the last flight out&#8230;.most likely the client and budget were tight with no bucks for hotels.  Yes, it gets that tight sometime.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know a single photographer who treats his crew badly.  I know of one who yells.  He has a rep and that is just the way he is.  What assistants are not understanding is how much pressure there is on the shooter - from financial to production to crew to final product.  If you don&#8217;t appreciate it now, you will when you get out on your own.</p>
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		<title>By: newspaper geezer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here in the low-rent editorial side - our equivalent of assistants are interns: and I would agree with the list- but maybe a clarification on point # 6.
I would say, shoot shoot shoot, all the time as often as you can- but not on my time. Leave your gear in the bag unless someone tells you different.  If you're running cards or hanging lights I wud apcc you're focused on my needs and that does mean no pix, including your iPhone IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here in the low-rent editorial side - our equivalent of assistants are interns: and I would agree with the list- but maybe a clarification on point # 6.<br />
I would say, shoot shoot shoot, all the time as often as you can- but not on my time. Leave your gear in the bag unless someone tells you different.  If you&#8217;re running cards or hanging lights I wud apcc you&#8217;re focused on my needs and that does mean no pix, including your iPhone IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Trip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I'm glad there's finally a forum for photographers to gripe and bitch about how assistants should be.

That's right. You heard it here kids. Be a sponge. Soak it up because the next thing you know there's some photographer that's going to wring you out and leave you dry.

Let's start the list. How should photographers be to their assistants? I'm only going to list 5 because I'm worn out from working for other people, not to mention that Bitter Photographer will make me feel a lot better than old geezer forbidding me to use my cell phone whilst I bend over for him.

1. Pay on time. Go into your own pocket if you have to. Why should an assistant wait for the client to pay? The client doesn't hire the assistant.

2. Don't be stingy about overtime. Don't ask the assistant to come down on his overtime after the fact. Instruct your producer to do the same. It's the only way assistants make any fucking money.

3. Let your loyal assistant use your gear. Pretend it doesn't bother you. Don't ask for anything in return for its use. This is for the time they woke up at 4 am to fly somewhere, help you shoot some piece of shit portrait, and not get home until midnight because you booked the last flight out just in case. They didn't get any extra money because it was editorial and had to eat fast food twice in one day.

4. Be a mentor. That means do not be competitive with your assistant. When they are trying to "leave the nest", set up a meeting for them with a photo editor that you know or have your agent do it. Pay it forward. Your assistant is never going to "take you down". If you don't want to do that because their work is horrible, tell them, steer them in the right direction. Don't let their worst nightmare come true. (That nightmare by the way is working for you long term.)

5. Be cognizant of the fact your ego is a little fragile. Any good assistant will coddle it up to a certain point. They'll say the work looks good even though its totally retarded. So in return, try to keep your lists to under 10 items instead of 26. Don't expect servitude. If your assistant has to make a phone call during the shoot, he'll do it at a responsible time. By the way, the assistant is running a business too. A job runs the risk of disappearing between now and lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;m glad there&#8217;s finally a forum for photographers to gripe and bitch about how assistants should be.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right. You heard it here kids. Be a sponge. Soak it up because the next thing you know there&#8217;s some photographer that&#8217;s going to wring you out and leave you dry.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start the list. How should photographers be to their assistants? I&#8217;m only going to list 5 because I&#8217;m worn out from working for other people, not to mention that Bitter Photographer will make me feel a lot better than old geezer forbidding me to use my cell phone whilst I bend over for him.</p>
<p>1. Pay on time. Go into your own pocket if you have to. Why should an assistant wait for the client to pay? The client doesn&#8217;t hire the assistant.</p>
<p>2. Don&#8217;t be stingy about overtime. Don&#8217;t ask the assistant to come down on his overtime after the fact. Instruct your producer to do the same. It&#8217;s the only way assistants make any fucking money.</p>
<p>3. Let your loyal assistant use your gear. Pretend it doesn&#8217;t bother you. Don&#8217;t ask for anything in return for its use. This is for the time they woke up at 4 am to fly somewhere, help you shoot some piece of shit portrait, and not get home until midnight because you booked the last flight out just in case. They didn&#8217;t get any extra money because it was editorial and had to eat fast food twice in one day.</p>
<p>4. Be a mentor. That means do not be competitive with your assistant. When they are trying to &#8220;leave the nest&#8221;, set up a meeting for them with a photo editor that you know or have your agent do it. Pay it forward. Your assistant is never going to &#8220;take you down&#8221;. If you don&#8217;t want to do that because their work is horrible, tell them, steer them in the right direction. Don&#8217;t let their worst nightmare come true. (That nightmare by the way is working for you long term.)</p>
<p>5. Be cognizant of the fact your ego is a little fragile. Any good assistant will coddle it up to a certain point. They&#8217;ll say the work looks good even though its totally retarded. So in return, try to keep your lists to under 10 items instead of 26. Don&#8217;t expect servitude. If your assistant has to make a phone call during the shoot, he&#8217;ll do it at a responsible time. By the way, the assistant is running a business too. A job runs the risk of disappearing between now and lunch.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Advise for an anspiring photographer &#171; [EV+/-] Exposure Compensation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 12th, 2007 by Miguel Garcia-Guzman    Interesting post &#8220;Advise from a Photographer&#8221; via &#8220;A Photo Editor&#8221; with empathetic and wise advise to anyone intending to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas Broening</title>
		<link>http://aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/11/advice-from-a-photographer/#comment-1539</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Broening</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy this is some pretty terrible advise and is an express train to a lifelong career in assisting or as an indentured servant.

Here is my list:

-don't study photography in school. It is truly a waste of time. It will take  you at least a decade to learn your craft and you are better off learning it by doing it wrong over and over again. If you have to study photography then study the history of photography. It will serve you far better and longer than learning how to shoot an egg on white.

-shoot all the time-never stop shooting-this is the only way you are going to become a photographer 

-don't work for assholes or prima donnas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy this is some pretty terrible advise and is an express train to a lifelong career in assisting or as an indentured servant.</p>
<p>Here is my list:</p>
<p>-don&#8217;t study photography in school. It is truly a waste of time. It will take  you at least a decade to learn your craft and you are better off learning it by doing it wrong over and over again. If you have to study photography then study the history of photography. It will serve you far better and longer than learning how to shoot an egg on white.</p>
<p>-shoot all the time-never stop shooting-this is the only way you are going to become a photographer </p>
<p>-don&#8217;t work for assholes or prima donnas.</p>
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		<title>By: a photo assistant</title>
		<link>http://aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/11/advice-from-a-photographer/#comment-1530</link>
		<dc:creator>a photo assistant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valuable advice... might I propose adding. 

When, especially when starting out, you don't know what you are doing or how to do something correctly quietly ask one of the other assistants to show you the best way to do it. Don't take unnecessary risks to cover up your lack of knowledge/experience. Very few photographers won't hire you again because you asked them to check that you've loaded the film right (as long as you don't shout it across the room) but nobody will ever hire you again if you load it wrong. 

Don't sleep with the models, don't even try to sleep with the models, even if the photographer isn't interested he/she won't appreciate your efforts/lack of professionalism. 

Forget being late, be early. Always be waiting out the front of the studio when the photographer arrives. 

Photographers are not the only people on set you should be learning from. The caterer has probably been on more shoots that you have. 

Until you are the first assistant the first assistant is God, the photographer is God's God and not someone for you to go around harassing. 

Don't work for assholes. Its not worth it. Work for photographers who you respect even more as people than you do their photographs. 

I'd like add more but Im working tomorrow so time to tuck into bed and get a good nights sleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valuable advice&#8230; might I propose adding. </p>
<p>When, especially when starting out, you don&#8217;t know what you are doing or how to do something correctly quietly ask one of the other assistants to show you the best way to do it. Don&#8217;t take unnecessary risks to cover up your lack of knowledge/experience. Very few photographers won&#8217;t hire you again because you asked them to check that you&#8217;ve loaded the film right (as long as you don&#8217;t shout it across the room) but nobody will ever hire you again if you load it wrong. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t sleep with the models, don&#8217;t even try to sleep with the models, even if the photographer isn&#8217;t interested he/she won&#8217;t appreciate your efforts/lack of professionalism. </p>
<p>Forget being late, be early. Always be waiting out the front of the studio when the photographer arrives. </p>
<p>Photographers are not the only people on set you should be learning from. The caterer has probably been on more shoots that you have. </p>
<p>Until you are the first assistant the first assistant is God, the photographer is God&#8217;s God and not someone for you to go around harassing. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t work for assholes. Its not worth it. Work for photographers who you respect even more as people than you do their photographs. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like add more but Im working tomorrow so time to tuck into bed and get a good nights sleep.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/11/advice-from-a-photographer/#comment-1527</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell makes you think we can afford a £250 iphone!!!  My assisting money goes straight into film and rent.............. occasionaly some food too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell makes you think we can afford a £250 iphone!!!  My assisting money goes straight into film and rent&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. occasionaly some food too</p>
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		<title>By: Brooks</title>
		<link>http://aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/11/advice-from-a-photographer/#comment-1524</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Older Geezer:
"#30 Initiative isn’t something you do when you are told you should do it. Initiative is doing the things that no one wants to ever have to tell you to do, or the things that have little to do with what’s top of mind. Do those things between the top of mind things without having to be asked."

LOVE this!!! This has to be one of the most obvious traits of the assistants that you want to use over and over again. This alone keeps them in constant motion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Older Geezer:<br />
&#8220;#30 Initiative isn’t something you do when you are told you should do it. Initiative is doing the things that no one wants to ever have to tell you to do, or the things that have little to do with what’s top of mind. Do those things between the top of mind things without having to be asked.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOVE this!!! This has to be one of the most obvious traits of the assistants that you want to use over and over again. This alone keeps them in constant motion.</p>
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		<title>By: avs</title>
		<link>http://aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/11/advice-from-a-photographer/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>avs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>www.tomboothinc.com</description>
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		<title>By: avs</title>
		<link>http://aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/11/advice-from-a-photographer/#comment-1522</link>
		<dc:creator>avs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, hiro still shoots.</description>
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		<title>By: Doug McGoldrick</title>
		<link>http://aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/11/advice-from-a-photographer/#comment-1520</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug McGoldrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to an old geezer from a middle aged geezer to be, I love what you have to say.

Is Hiro still in biz?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to an old geezer from a middle aged geezer to be, I love what you have to say.</p>
<p>Is Hiro still in biz?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/11/advice-from-a-photographer/#comment-1516</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And remember: Always wear sunscreen.</description>
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		<title>By: Not a geezer but not a youngster</title>
		<link>http://aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/11/advice-from-a-photographer/#comment-1515</link>
		<dc:creator>Not a geezer but not a youngster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine, who passed away recently, was an editor at the Geographic.  He gave me an incredible piece of advice when I was starting out. 

 "Always surround yourself with people who are better than you, that is how you will be judged."  

It is true.  Work for great people.  WORK for great people.  I did.  I also worked for a coke-addict who destroyed his career.  What I learned from him, was, what not to do.  A valuable lesson indeed.

Bust you tail as an assistant, shoot for yourself if you can, keep notes, learn.

A former assistant of mine use to come into the studio on weekends and shoot up all of my B&#38;W film.  It was ok.  He was building a book that took him to the next level.  He is now a name in the fashion industry.  A serious A level shooter who is an incredible talent.  When he assisted me and the other photographer who shared the studio, this guy would print all weekend, clean the studio, do what ever it took to make things run smooth.  He made it - big time.  

The assistants who were a drag or complained - half of them never left the nest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine, who passed away recently, was an editor at the Geographic.  He gave me an incredible piece of advice when I was starting out. </p>
<p> &#8220;Always surround yourself with people who are better than you, that is how you will be judged.&#8221;  </p>
<p>It is true.  Work for great people.  WORK for great people.  I did.  I also worked for a coke-addict who destroyed his career.  What I learned from him, was, what not to do.  A valuable lesson indeed.</p>
<p>Bust you tail as an assistant, shoot for yourself if you can, keep notes, learn.</p>
<p>A former assistant of mine use to come into the studio on weekends and shoot up all of my B&amp;W film.  It was ok.  He was building a book that took him to the next level.  He is now a name in the fashion industry.  A serious A level shooter who is an incredible talent.  When he assisted me and the other photographer who shared the studio, this guy would print all weekend, clean the studio, do what ever it took to make things run smooth.  He made it - big time.  </p>
<p>The assistants who were a drag or complained - half of them never left the nest.</p>
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